"Avengers: Doomsday" Pre-Release News & Discussion Thread (Spoilers)

[Frontier]

1/23: Some details on Loveness's story.

It sounds like they would have separated the heroes so they would have individual battles with Kang Variants on Earth...

 

[Yojimbo]

John David Washington is a rumored contender for Kang role.

 

[Frontier]

John David Washington is a rumored contender for Kang role.

He's a fine actor, but I haven't see anything from him that leads me to believe he could pull off Kang as well as Majors did.

 

[Yojimbo]

Insider claims Feige is considering including Deadpool and Wolverine.

 

[Frontier]

Insider claims Feige is considering including Deadpool and Wolverine.

I think that's what everyone wants...along with maybe a Spider-Man or two .

 

[Yojimbo]

It's been reported the plan is to rewrite both Avengers: The Kang Dynasty and Avengers: Secret Wars to "either minimize Kang or excise him entirely."

 

[Fone Bone]

It's been reported the plan is to rewrite both Avengers: The Kang Dynasty and Avengers: Secret Wars to "either minimize Kang or excise him entirely."

Ice cream tastes wonderful. (Me not being negative).

 

[Yojimbo]

Call me crazy. But the last two were Infinity War and Endgame in that order. This set is ??? and Secret Wars. So just call this one some term that is the opposite of Endgame.

 

[the greenman]

Honestly, if they're doing Wonder Man the series, he should be the villain in Avengers 5. Simon Williams origin.

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[TheGuy]

It's been reported the plan is to rewrite both Avengers: The Kang Dynasty and Avengers: Secret Wars to "either minimize Kang or excise him entirely."

This is pretty stupid. The reason QuANTuMANia failed wasn't because of Kang it's the story that's bad. I thought Kang was a cool villain but for him losing at the end makes your big bad look pretty weak. I don't see why recasting is so hard but instead of working smarter let's work harder.

 

[Yojimbo]

This is pretty stupid. The reason QuANTuMANia failed wasn't because of Kang it's the story that's bad. I thought Kang was a cool villain but for him losing at the end makes your big bad look pretty weak. I don't see why recasting is so hard but instead of working smarter let's work harder.

Yeah, beaten by ants really... I just tell myself he was an exiled variant that got a little rusty and wasn't at full tilt. Agreed, they don't need to second guess. I would be fine with the original Kang being a different actor and all the variants look like Majors. Loki show established other actors can play a character's variants. Original Kang shows up in this 2 parter, culls his variants, fights the heroes, is way tougher because he's the... original, has some plan to accomplish that requires getting his variants and these heroes off the board, done and print.

 

[Frontier]

Yeah, beaten by ants really... I just tell myself he was an exiled variant that got a little rusty and wasn't at full tilt. Agreed, they don't need to second guess. I would be fine with the original Kang being a different actor and all the variants look like Majors. Loki show established other actors can play a character's variants. Original Kang shows up in this 2 parter, culls his variants, fights the heroes, is way tougher because he's the... original, has some plan to accomplish that requires getting his variants and these heroes off the board, done and print.

They started strong with HWR in Loki but they should've had him introduced in a proper Avengers movie and not...Ant-Man.

(And I love Ant-Man).

 

[Yojimbo]

They started strong with HWR in Loki but they should've had him introduced in a proper Avengers movie and not...Ant-Man.

Probably the only other relevant movie they could have introduced him briefly would be Multiverse of Madness but there already was so much going on in that one (maybe an end tag could have worked), Deadpool & Wolverine, or Fantastic Four (but that'd be way late to intro him).

I doubt it but still wonder does Pedro Pascal's casting as Mister Fantastic influence who they will pick for Kang.

 

[TheGuy]

They started strong with HWR in Loki but they should've had him introduced in a proper Avengers movie and not...Ant-Man.

(And I love Ant-Man).

I feel like it could’ve work if Kang actually won (personally I feel like Scott and Hank dying could’ve gotten the job done and maybe Hope since I feel she doesn’t have that much to do anymore). Really could’ve served as a good motivator for Cassie and would make Kang actually scary plus it would be a nice change of pace from the goofyness of Phase Four

 

[Yojimbo]

I feel like it could’ve work if Kang actually won (personally I feel like Scott and Hank dying could’ve gotten the job done and maybe Hope since I feel she doesn’t have that much to do anymore). Really could’ve served as a good motivator for Cassie and would make Kang actually scary plus it would be a nice change of pace from the goofyness of Phase Four

True, then Scott wouldn't have stupidly shrugged off the notion of telling the other Avengers about Kang. I was really thinking Hank, Janet, and/or Hope was gonna get killed off to emphasize the threat of Kang. Thanos was pretty much the behind-the-scenes Emperor until Infinity War. I figured they were going to go the opposite route and have the Kangs being the opposite but that's looking unlikely, just an end boss to the saga.

 

[Last Spider]

I feel like it could’ve work if Kang actually won (personally I feel like Scott and Hank dying could’ve gotten the job done and maybe Hope since I feel she doesn’t have that much to do anymore). Really could’ve served as a good motivator for Cassie and would make Kang actually scary plus it would be a nice change of pace from the goofyness of Phase Four

This idea that Kang could only be a threat if he killed off the entire Ant-Man family is so boring and cliche and it'd just be the same thing the comics do where they ignore any development or growth the characters have or could have just to make them fodder for the next threat, it's lame.
And what goofyness are you even talking about? Phase 4 was like the darkest phase of the MCU, like the last Phase 4 movie was Wakanda Forever and that's literally all about grief and loss.
The only outlier would be Thor Love and Thunder, and maybe Shang-Chi.

Yeah, beaten by ants really... I just tell myself he was an exiled variant that got a little rusty and wasn't at full tilt.

This is exactly what happens in the movie, the biggest plot point is that Kang isn't at full power and doesn't have all of his tech.
It's why him being in the Quantuman Realm is supposed to be a punishment

 

[Yojimbo]

This is exactly what happens in the movie, the biggest plot point is that Kang isn't at full power and doesn't have all of his tech.

Yes, I know. That's why I said that. It was cringe he got beat by ants, so I remind myself of the reason why.

 

[Last Spider]

Yes, I know. That's why I said that. It was cringe he got beat by ants, so I remind myself of the reason why.

It's really not, because Kang wasn't even beaten by ants they attacked him, but he was still alive, kicking and beating up Scott like 5 minutes later, and like it's an Ant-Man movie of course he's using ants to win, this isn't even the first time a version of Ant-Man has beaten Kang while using bugs.

 

[TheGuy]

It's really not, because Kang wasn't even beaten by ants they attacked him, but he was still alive, kicking and beating up Scott like 5 minutes later, and like it's an Ant-Man movie of course he's using ants to win, this isn't even the first time a version of Ant-Man has beaten Kang while using bugs.

But here’s the thing this variant of Kang killed the Avengers THE AVENGERS so I find it hard he can’t beat ants. How is your next big bad suppose to be menacing if he can’t beat if he can’t even beat ants? Also I didn’t say all of Phase Four was goofy but you can’t sit here and tell me that it’s the darkest phase because of 1 movie because it’s not but we can agree to disagree.

 

[Last Spider]

But here’s the thing this variant of Kang killed the Avengers THE AVENGERS so I find it hard he can’t beat ants. How is your next big bad suppose to be menacing if he can’t beat if he can’t even beat ants? Also I didn’t say all of Phase Four was goofy but you can’t sit here and tell me that it’s the darkest phase because of 1 movie because it’s not but we can agree to disagree.

For one again the ants didn't beat him, he was still alive and in fighting condition 5 minutes later, second they're not even normal ants, they're evolved scientifically advanced ants, third Kang himself wasn't even at full power, he was working with limited resources and his entire motivation was to escape the Quantuman Realm and get back to full power.

Saying Kang murdering the entire Ant Man family is a change of pace from "phases 4's goofyness" is very much saying all of Phase 4 was goofy, there's no other way to take that.
And I very much can say phase 4 is the darkest phase, looking at the actual movies most of them are bleaker than most other MCU movies.
Spider-Man No Way Home deals with with Peter losing the last family he had left, nearly murdering a person in a rage, and ultimately losing everything.

Multiverse of Madness has some of the gorest scenes in the MCU with Wanda's rampage against the Illuminati, and essentially ends with her committing Suicide Squad and Doctor Strange being corrupted by dark magic.

The Eternals is one of the most serious comedy devoid movies of the MCU, I don't even think that can even be argued against.

Black Widow very explicitly deals with themes of human trafficking, and exploitation.

I've already explained Wakanda Forever.

So that's just leaves Thor Love and Thunder, and Shang-Chi and of these two I'd only call Thor goofy but that's because it's a comedy.

If you compare to other phases most other movies don't really have the characters dealing with these some sort of themes and situations, and very few of these movies have actual unambiguously happy endings for their characters.