"Young Justice" News & Discussion Thread, Part 35 (Spoilers)

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Welcome to the 35th installment of the largest Young Justice discussion thread online!

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PHANTOMS
Episodes 1-2 Stream October 16, 2021
Episodes 3-13 Steam October 21 to December 30, 2021
Episodes 14-16 Stream March 31, 2022
Episodes 17-26 Stream April 7, 2022 to June 9, 2022

OUTSIDERS
Episode 1-13 Streams: January 4 to January 25, 2019
Episode 14-26 Streams: July 2 to August 27, 2019
Digital HD Release: September 24, 2019
Blu-Ray and DVD Release: November 26, 2019

Series Description: New twists, turns and dangerous new threats for the Team. This series is produced by Warner Bros. Animation and based upon characters from DC Comics. Sam Register (Teen Titans, Ben 10, Batman: The Brave and the Bold) is the executive producer. Brandon Vietti (Batman: Under the Red Hood, Superman Doomsday, The Batman) and Greg Weisman (Gargoyles, The Spectacular Spider-Man, W.I.T.C.H.) are the producers.

This thread is for general discussion of the Young Justice animated series and related products (i.e., comics, toys, etc.). Keep it locked at The World's Finest and Anime Superhero News for the latest updates!

Current Talkback
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-Outsiders Season Three Talkback
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-Audio Play The Prize Talkback

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-News & Discussion Thread, Part 1
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Current Known News By Topic

Spoiler

Season 5 and on

1. Back in season one they had five seasons planned out but as of Fall 2021, they have a fairly clear idea through seven seasons and vaguer ideas beyond that. Greg Tweet 10/14/21

Targets comic

1. Chris Jones drawing Nightwing Chris Tweet 4/25
2. Chris Jones drew Nightwing. Chris Tweet 5/7
3. Chris Jones drew El Dorado. Chris Jones Tweet 5/11
4. A colored unlettered page showing a meeting between the Justice League, Team, Outsiders, and Brion released. HBO Max Tweet 5/12
5. A colored unlettered page showing Spoiler, Mist, Nightwing, and Orphan leaving the Watchtower by Zeta Tube while Dr. Fate/Thirteen fights a monster released. DC Comics Tweet 5/12
6. A page originally called for "seeing Dr. Fate floating in space" but Chris Jones asked he could change it to Fate doing something. It was approved and Fate is now shown fighting a monster. Chris Tweet 5/12
7. Chris Jones drew Nightwing. Chris Jones Tweet 5/18
8. Chris Jones shares WIP of Nightwing, Spoiler, and Orphan. Chris Jones Tweet 5/19
9. Young Justice: Targets #2 releases on August 23, 2022 in stores. Variant cover is by Meghan Hetrick. The Infinitors are assembled to help in the search for Perdita but can they be trusted? CBR Article 5/20
10. Chris Jones is drawing a Brion scene. Chris Jones Tweet 5/23
11. Chris Jones is drawing a Beast Boy, Wingman, Wonder Girl scene. Chris Jones Tweet 6/4
12. Chris Jones is drawing Wonder Girl Chris Jones Tweet 6/11
13. Gargoyles easter egg in #2 DC Q&A 6/14
14. Targets #2 digital release is July 12.
15. Targets #3 releases September 27. Variant cover by Hetrick. Hispanic Heritage Variant by Adrian Guiterrez. A Perdita imposter. Green Arrow back up story. Chris Jones Tweet 6/16
16. One of the new characters appearing is a name DC villain and a character that hasn't show up in awhile since the show came back will appear Countdown City Geekcast, 49 min mark 6/18
17. Chris Jones is drawing Superboy witnessing a mutation Chris Jones Tweet 6/25

Season 3 Leftovers

1. At least 7 major characters that staff wanted to add to Season 2 that won't be appearing at all because there just wasn't any room for them. So they'll have to be saved for the comic book and/or a potential Season 3 Ask Greg 5/4/12
2. The 12th villain from Young Justice: Legacy will play into Season 3 if the show is renewed ComicsOnline (6:33-6:53) 6/11/12
3. Interest in incorporating some characters from Wildstorm Comics Ask Greg 7/18/12
4. Starfire is a character the staff has talked about using GamerFitNation Interview, 8:24-8:28 mark 8/17/12
5. More to Madame Xanadu's story than revealed so far Ask Greg 4/12/11
6. Some more on the Green Lanterns Ask Greg 3/22/13
7. Plans for some in this list: Vixen, Gypsy, Dr. Light, Ask Greg 3/22/13
8. Producers had specific ideas for Earth-16 version of the Wonder Twins, Zan & Jayna. Ask Greg 4/29/13
9. Had plans for Ravager Ask Greg 1/30/14
10. There were plans for the unidentified alien race who sent Tiamat to Earth Ask Greg 1/31/14
11. Eventual plans for everyone on the original list of 50+ candidates for the Team Ask Greg 3/19/14
12. Had plans to bring in Mia Dearden/Speedy CBC Spotlight Ep 13 3/22/14 (21:46-22:05)
13. Plans to feature Carol Ferris in later episodes. Comics Beat 4/17/19
14. Original ideas and some that have morphed in the intervening years are being used. Ask Greg 4/10/17

New Characters Unidentified

1. There is a hidden WildStorm character in season one and is female. Ask Greg 7/18/12, Ask Greg 9/3/13, Ask Greg 5/10/14

New Characters That Never Showed Up

1. Catwoman Grey DeLisle Tumblr 11/5/12

Cut Storylines/Reworked into Time Skip Ask Greg 3/31/13, Life After YJ 1/10/14, Mary Sue 4/17/15, CBR 3/31/16, Ask Greg 6/13/22,

1. Donna Troy/Troia and Mary Bromfield/Sergeant Marvel were cut from the bridal shower in "Satisfaction" because it would have required four new designs and the crew was stretched too thin.
2. If Donna and Mary were designed, they would have appeared in "Endgame"
3. A Red Tornado subplot in season 2 would have introduced Traya
4. Lieutenant Marvel and Sergeant Marvel were originally considered to be on the Team in season 2
5. A Zatanna arc - a follow up between Zatanna, Zatara, and Dr. Fate
6. Donna Troy was originally planned to be used in season 1 but at the time, both her and Cassie Sandsmark were on the "can't use" list. By the time Geoff Johns became creative director and cleared them for use, it was too late. The next plan was have Donna cameo in season 2 but was cut for time and design constraints.
7. Green Lantern arc involving young rookies in the Corp
8. A musical episode

Young Justice: Invasion and Pitched Earth-16 Comic
Ideas and Unused Storylines

1. Originally a few more issues were planned before jumping to the Invasion time frame Chris Jones 6/12/12
2. Will see more of the JSA (and All-Star Squadron) in the comics. Ask Greg 12/9/11
3. Will be cameos of other JSA members Youtube - DC Nation Panel 3/18/12
4. Staff has stories in mind for JSA and A-SS WF 10/2/12
5. The #9-10 arc revisited eventually Ask Greg 2/13/12
6. Eventually more of Talia Ask Greg 4/16/12
7. Will see more of Green Arrow and Black Canary's relationship explored in Issue #20-21. Ask Greg 4/16/12
8. Earth-16 version of the DC Showcase short "Green Arrow" Ask Greg 5/8/12
9. The Green Arrow, Black Canary, Artemis, Red Arrow story (set after Episode 1x14) was originally planned for 20-21 but will have to wait and will get to it eventually. Ask Greg 6/13/12
10. Count Vertigo, Merlyn, Henchy, Red Arrow's life as an unwitting mole and the death of Perdita's father also figured into the Green Arrow story. WF Interview 2/19/13
11. Marvel Family story was planned. WF Chris Jones Interview 9/18/12
12. Billy Batson's 3 best school friends - Freddy Freeman, Kit Freeman, and Mary Bromfield would have been introduced in the Marvel story. WF Interview 2/19/13
13. Freddy Freeman is Lieutenant Marvel and Mary Bromfield is Sergeant Marvel. Ask Greg 10/8/13
14. Captain Marvel's origin story WF Interview 12/16/13
15. Some more on the Green Lanterns and Martians Ask Greg 3/22/13
16. Two-Face Nerdy Show Ep. 160

Non-Greenlit Pitches Ask Greg 3/22/13

1. Season Three (could differ from Outsiders)
2. Earth-16 comic book
3. Animated spin-offs such as one featuring Arsenal and/or the Arrow Family
4. Black Manta Celebrity Hot Tub shorts
5. A direct to DVD movie
6. Brandon Vietti pitched a YJ meets Scooby movie

ARCHIVED INFORMATION
Production Breakdowns TZ 3/17/17
The Team Designations Ask Greg 8/28/12
All Designations (except 27, 28, A-06-A-09, B-26) WF 3/12/13
Z-05 Katana TZ7/23
Z-06 and Z-11 Ask Greg 10/29/21
A-06 to A-07 Ask Greg 10/3/14
A-14 Greg Weisman Tweet 11/24/16
A-15 to A-20 Ask Greg 11/21/16
G-01 to G-08 Ask Greg 8/5/21
The Light Ask Greg 3/14/22

Master Timeline

1. Weisman's master timeline was at 139 pages Ask Greg 12/3/10
2. 149 pages Ask Greg 1/28/11
3. 185 pages Ask Greg 11/18/11
4. 191 pages KSite TV Interview 4/26/12
5. 201 pages Ask Greg 9/4/12
6. 205 pages Ask Greg 10/4/12
7. Completed at 250 pages (includes, everything from the two seasons, the tie-in comic, the Legacy video game, some back story such as the Golden Age, and some of the characters from the five year gap) Ask Greg 5/17/13
8. 283 pages Life After Young Justice 1/10/14, 30s minute mark
9. 289 pages Greg Tweet 4/7/19
10. 317 pages Ask Greg 4/25/2019
11. 399 pages Greg Tweet 7/11/2019
12. 609 pages Greg Tweet 6/30/2021
13. 612 pages Ask Greg 8/13/2021
14. 718 pages Ask Greg 12/10/2021

DC Characters

1. By Episode 16, 135 DC characters have appeared Ask Greg 8/23/10
2. By Episode 17, 147 DC characters have appeared Ask Greg 9/3/10
3. By Episode 24, 174 DC characters have appeared MTV 1/14/11
4. By Episode 26, 179 total DC characters have appeared. But that includes omitted characters like Catherine Cobert. Ask Greg 2/24/11 + Ask Greg 2/7/12
5. Season Two, 145 name characters Ask Greg 2/7/12
6. By Episode 46, 241 total DC characters Newsarama 3/17/12
7. By Epsode 98, 759 total DC characters, included referenced or mentioned Ask Greg 12/20/2021

The Master List - Potential Teen Heroes to join the Team (50-60)

1. Bombshell Ask Greg 11/10/10
2. Raven Ask Greg 12/12/11
3. Cyborg Ask Greg 12/12/11
4. Starfire Ask Greg 12/12/11
5. Beast Boy Ask Greg 12/12/11
6. Supergirl Ask Greg 2/22/12
7. Wonder Twins Ask Greg 5/1/12
8. Four Blonde Teen Female Archers Greg Tweet 10/6/21

The Master List - Potential Members of The Light (100+)

1. Count Vertigo Ask Greg 1/16/12
2. The Joker Ask Greg 1/16/12
3. Ultra-Humanite Ask Greg 1/16/12
4. Atomic Skull Ask Greg 1/16/12
5. Poison Ivy Ask Greg 1/16/12
6. Black Adam Ask Greg 1/16/12
7. Wotan Ask Greg 1/16/12 + Ask Greg 4/12/12
8. Felix Faust Ask Greg 4/12/12
9. Blackbriar Thorn Ask Greg 4/12/12
10. Wizard Ask Greg 4/12/12

Characters Off Limits at Start of Series But Not Anymore

1. 3-4 characters were off limits Life After Young Justice 1/10/14, 21-31 minute mark
2. Wildstorm imprint Ask Greg 7/18/12
3. Donna Troy Ask Greg 7/17/12
4. Cassie Sandsmark Ask Greg 7/17/12
5. Blue Beetle/Ted Kord and Darkseid AMA 11/2/21

By Animation Studio

Lotto Animation
-Season One

1. #3 "Welcome to Happy Harbor"
2. #4 "Drop-Zone"
3. #7 "Denial"
4. #9 "Bereft"
5. #11 "Terrors"
6. #13 "Alpha Male"
7. #14 "Revelation"
8. #16 "Failsafe"
9. #18 "Secrets"
10. #21 "Image"
11. #23 "Insecurity"
12. #25 "Usual Suspects"

-Season Two Invasion

1. #3 "Alienated"
2. #5 "Beneath"
3. #8 "Satisfaction"
4. #10 "Before the Dawn"
5. #12 "True Colors"
6. #15 "War"
7. #18 "Intervention"

Moi Animation
-Season One

1. #1 "Independence Day"
2. #2 "Fireworks"
3. #5 "Schooled"
4. #6 "Infiltrator"
5. #8 "Downtime"
6. #10 "Targets"
7. #12 "Homefront"
8. #15 "Humanity"
9. #17 "Disordered"
10. #19 "Misplaced"
11. #20 "Coldhearted"
12. #22 "Agendas"
13. #24 "Performance"
14. #26 "Auld Acquaintance"

-Season Two Invasion

1. #1 "Happy New Year"
2. #2 "Earthlings"
3. #4 "Salvage"
4. #6 "Bloodlines"
5. #7 "Depths"
6. #9 "Darkest"
7. #11 "Cornered"
8. #13 "The Fix"
9. #14 "Runaways"
10. #16 "Complications"
11. #17 "The Hunt"
12. #19 "Summit"
13. #20 "Endgame"

Digital eMation
-Season 3 Outsiders

1. #2 "Royal We"
2. #3 "Eminent Threat"
3. #6 "Rescue Op"
4. #7 "Evolution"
5. #9 "Home Fires"
6. #10 "Exceptional Human Beings"
7. #13 "True Heroes"
8. #15 "Leverage"
9. #18 "Early Warning"
10. #20 "Quiet Conversations"
11. #22 "Antisocial Pathologies"
12. #24 "Into the Breach"
13. #26 "Nevermore"

DR Movie
-Season 3 Outsiders

1. #1 "Princes All"
2. #4 "Private Security"
3. #5 "Away Mission"
4. #8 "Triptych"
5. #11 "Another Freak"
6. #14 "Influence"
7. #17 "First Impression"
8. #19 "Elder Wisdom"
9. #21 "Unknown Factors"
10. #23 "Terminus"
11. #25 "Overwhelmed"

Studio Mir
-Season 3 Outsiders

1. #12 "Nightmare Monkeys"
2. #16 "Illusion of Control"

-Season 4 Phantoms

1. All 26 episodes

Continuing from he previous topic, more reveals from Greg Weisman-

-Vertigo is Count Vertigo's real surname. Perdita and her father are Vladek.
-Ilona and Bedlam's family were nobility, not royals.
-The Outsiders mission seen in "Volatile" took place on February 24, Team Year 10.
-Casting Hynden Walch as Rita then Em'ree.
-The Mars-Earth satellite went online in Team Year 9.
-Did not have a lower budget this season.
-Khalid will make 22 years old at the end of Team Year 10.
-LoSH was always part of the original plan.
-Black Canary is a therapist and also owns a flower shop.
-Nabu does have access to the powers and abilities of his current host.
-Weisman confirms Kal's ship traveled through subspace after it launched from Krypton.
-Weisman confirms Batwoman's civilian identity is Katherine "Kate" Rebecca Kane, confirms she and Bruce are maternal cousins, confirms she is related to Bette Kane, and states she joined the Justice League in Team Year Seven.
-Weisman confirms Mist is a member of the Team.
-Orin retired as Aquaman and Kaldur took up the mantle in Team Year Seven.

Interview with Greg Weisman. Talks YJ at 13:27, about the revival, wordplay on the show (compares it to Adam West Batman), credit's Brandon for Artemis reciting her favorites in end credits of her recent arc.

 

[Yojimbo]

Team Year Seven seemed to have a lot going on...

The interesting bit is that fact that the transition of Orin to retiring and Kaldur taking over as Aquaman in Team Year Seven implies/confirms the Justice League did not add any members and Team Year Six and all these news ones we've seen since season 3 were added in Team Year Seven and maybe Eight before the Outsiders premiere.

EDIT: Greg answered more, including some of mine.

-The control chips last season are a spin off of Starro Tech.

-Photo of missing local teen in "First Impression" has no name.
-Pete Danbury in "Nevermore" was the cameraman, not some off screen character.

-Grant Park in "Private Security" was in Star City.
-Confirms Gravyen cameo in "Evolution"
-Thinks of the other 3 rescued in "True Heroes," 2 were Celia Windward and Wendy Jones.
-Seems the 2 in the jail cell in "Influence" will come up based on the no spoiler reply

-Confirms Olga Ilyich was a combo of 2 Rocket Red characters
-Maria and Luis Garcia are characters from the comics
-Won't name the other 7 meta-teens rescued in "Earnly Warning"

 

[Frontier]

-The control chips last season are a spin off of Starro Tech.

If there's one thing to take from Starro .

 

[coluanprime]

The most interesting thing to me was the semi-confirmation that Bart and Ed were intended to be dating but DC blocked them from showing it.

Search Ask Greg : Gargoyles : Station Eight

www.s8.org

More than a little depressing that things like that are still happening.

 

[Yojimbo]

Rita Farr and Steve Dayton became involved in Team Year 2 after the Doom Patrol was founded.

Roy became Oliver's ward in 2007.

 

[Frontier]

Rita Farr and Steve Dayton became involved in Team Year 2 after the Doom Patrol was founded.

And then Garfield...and then the rest was history .

Roy became Oliver's ward in 2007.

I want to see more of Ollie and the Arrow Fam...

 

[Yojimbo]

Weisman answered more questions.

-Had to change fonts for the timestamps between season 2 and 3 for legal reasons.

-Blue Devil and Magog joined the JL in Team Year 7.

-Confirms Alan Scott's ring is a damaged GLC ring (and not magical), Cassandra Savage is an original character inspired by Scandal, the first Black Canary started operating in 1964, and Steel started operating in Team Year Six.

-Kate knows Bruce is Batman, Damian was the product of consensual sex

-Confirms Kate is the first Batwoman in this canon

 

[Frontier]

-Blue Devil and Magog joined the JL in Team Year 7.

Oh yeah, I don't think we've seen Magog (at least in his hero form) yet .

-Confirms Alan Scott's ring is a damaged GLC ring (and not magical), Cassandra Savage is an original character inspired by Scandal, the first Black Canary started operating in 1964, and Steel started operating in Team Year Six.

So she's not actually Scandal Savage, I guess, in-case people were planning to use that as a means of capturing her character arc .

-Kate knows Bruce is Batman, Damian was the product of consensual sex

I would've assumed as much considering she's been depicted as tighter with the core Batfamily than she usually is (especially at this point in her career).

Well, the date rape aspect of his conception was always kind of controversial .

-Confirms Kate is the first Batwoman in this canon

Makes me wonder what they'd do with Kathy Kane...and if they'll ever remember Bette .

 

[Yojimbo]

Oh yeah, I don't think we've seen Magog (at least in his hero form) yet .

That's correct, we haven't yet. We've seen David Reid but that was the simulation in Failsafe.

It's interesting, it's starting took like Team Year Seven was a big recruitment year and all 10 joined (then Metamorpho at the end of season 3).

 

[AdrenalineRush1996]

So she's not actually Scandal Savage, I guess, in-case people were planning to use that as a means of capturing her character arc .

I think it's more of an adaptation name change than anything else.

 

[Frontier]

I think it's more of an adaptation name change than anything else.

I guess it depends on how they develop the character moving forward...

 

[AdrenalineRush1996]

I guess it depends on how they develop the character moving forward...

Well, yes but still.

 

[Mostezli]

I distinctly remember a character say "scandal" in reference to Cassandra in the Tigress/Cheshire arc. Can't think of the last time, the writers were this cheeky.

 

[Frontier]

I wonder if we'll ever see Knockout...

 

[ShadowStar]

I'm a little bit perplexed by this answer, as I thought that it was canon that Bargirl took over leadership of the Team at some point after the events of season 2 (but before she became Oracle). Didn't Greg say as such in one of the Whelmed Young Justice Files audio interviews, or am I mistaken?
Search Ask Greg : Gargoyles : Station Eight

 

[Frontier]

I'm a little bit perplexed by this answer, as I thought that it was canon that Bargirl took over leadership of the Team at some point after the events of season 2 (but before she became Oracle). Didn't Greg say as such in one of the Whelmed Young Justice Files audio interviews, or am I mistaken?
Search Ask Greg : Gargoyles : Station Eight

Maybe Babs wasn't the official leader, just helping run ops for Kaldur.

 

[Yojimbo]

I'm a little bit perplexed by this answer, as I thought that it was canon that Bargirl took over leadership of the Team at some point after the events of season 2 (but before she became Oracle). Didn't Greg say as such in one of the Whelmed Young Justice Files audio interviews, or am I mistaken?
Search Ask Greg : Gargoyles : Station Eight

Part 1 or Part 2 of that interview? I only recall Batgirl was basically Aqualad's majordomo after he became the leader again post-Invasion.

 

[ShadowStar]

Greg Weisman has confirmed that A-14 was Bart Allen: Search Ask Greg : Gargoyles : Station Eight

 

[Yojimbo]

Greg Weisman has confirmed that A-14 was Bart Allen: Search Ask Greg : Gargoyles : Station Eight

Could have sworn that was confirmed already but cool. Just 21-27, 30-40, 43, and 44 to go for the A designations... >_<

 

[ShadowStar]

Could have sworn that was confirmed already but cool. Just 21-27, 30-40, 43, and 44 to go for the A designations... >_<

Don't forget A-08 and A-09!